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MAY 14—DISCRIMINATING TONNAGE DUES.
 
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MAY 14—DISCRIMINATING TONNAGE DUES.[1]

Mr. Madison replied to the several arguments against his
motion. A gentleman, said he, (Mr. Sedgwick,) had called it
a "measure of passion." He observed that it had neither
been dictated by passion, nor supported with passion; he
considered it as a cool as well as a proper measure, and believed
that the more coolly it was examined, the more proper
it would appear. If any thing more were to be done, let it
be something that will be effectual.


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As to the distinction proposed between nations in treaty
and not in treaty, that point had been discussed and decided
yesterday, and was no part of the argument to-day. It was
agreed on all hands, that the measure reported by the committee
was levelled against a particular nation, though it was
not named. Why then ostensibly involve other nations for
whom it was not intended; and by making no difference in
favor of those in treaty, teach others to consider a treaty with
us as of no value? He said, we were the less restrained from
making the distinction, because the nation against which the
measures were designed to operate, had not hesitated to set
the example, as far as her supposed interest went. He had
before shown, that the principle on which the trade with the
West Indies was regulated by Great Britain, was a departure
from the principle of her navigation act: according to that
act, all other nations were allowed to carry directly their own
produce in their own vessels, wherever the same trade was
allowed by the act to British vessels. A gentleman from
Pennsylvania (Mr. Fitzsimons) was afraid the measure was
too bold a one. But why was it too bold, if, as the weighty
information and arguments of the gentleman himself had


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shown, there was no danger? If the existence of the West
Indies, and the prosperity of Great Britain depended so
materially on the trade with the United States, that it would
be madness in her to hazard an interruption of it?

Mr. M. then proceeded to review the European and West
India commerce of the United States. He stated the imports
to be, from Europe, about £3,039,000; from the West Indies,
£927,438: total, £3,966,438. The exports to Europe, £3,203,448;
to the West Indies, £941,552: total, £4,244,000.

He stated the export and return freight to Europe to be
estimated at £500,000: to the West Indies, £250,000: total,
£750,000. For the return freight, which was estimated at
one-tenth of the export freight, he deducted £45,454 105.,
which left for the value of the export freight to Europe £454,545
105. By applying a like rule to the West India freight,
he made the total export freight to amount to £681,818 55.; of
this he computed two-thirds, or £454,545 105., to be enjoyed
by British vessels. He took notice here, that the proportion
of foreign to British tonnage, employed in the exports, of
Great Britain, was stated by Lord Sheffield as no more than
one to twelve.

The amount of the freight, at two pounds sterling per ton,
employs 227,272 tons of shipping; or, allowing two voyages
a year, 568 vessels of 200 tons burden each.

The shipping, allowing six men to 100 tons, employs 6,816
seamen; or allowing one man to fifteen tons, which was perhaps
a letter estimate, 7,575 seamen.

He asked whether it was conceivable that Great Britain
would give up all these advantages, rather than put the commerce
of the two countries on such a footing as would be
reasonable and reciprocal? Whether she would throw away,
and into her rival's hands too, a freight of near half a million
sterling? Whether she could bear to see between five and
six hundred vessels rotting in port, or sold to others to be
employed in the business, sacrificed by her? He asked what
would become of seven or eight thousand seamen, thus turned


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out of employment? And whether they would not enter into
the service of other nations, and particularly of the United
States, to be employed in the exportation of our produce?

He took notice of the immense loss that would be sustained
by the British merchants on the capital employed in the American
trade, particularly the rice and tobacco. Near one hundred
thousand hogshead of tobacco, not more than ten or
twelve thousand of which were consumed in Great Britain,
annually went almost all through their hands. The same
thing might be said of one hundred thousand barrels of rice
annually exported from the United States.

The manufacturers, he said, would be still more distressed
by the want of the American market. Many articles, which
were luxuries to this country, and which it would be better
without, gave bread to that class of people. Their distresses
would increase the spirit of emigration, already so much
dreaded by the policy of that nation. He observed, that
Great Britain would be the more unwilling to risk an interruption
of her trade to the United States, because it would
hasten the establishment of American manufactures, which
she had always endeavored to prevent, and thereby cut off
forever this important market for her. Such a danger would
be particularly alarming, as her three great staple manufactures,
of leather, iron, and wool, were those which were
making the greatest progress in this country, and would be
the most aided at her expense.

As to the British West Indies, it had been fully shown that
they could neither prosper nor subsist without the market of
the United States; they were fed from our granaries. Without
our lumber, which, it was admitted, could be supplied no
where else, they could not carry on their trade, or support
their establishments. In the sale of their rum, on which the
profits of their labor essentially depended, they had no resource
but in the consumption of this country. He said, the
whole amount of rum sent to other foreign countries did not
exceed eight or nine hundred thousand gallons, which was


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not more than one-fifth of what was imported into the United
States; besides their loss in this respect, they would have the
mortification to see the vacancy in our market filled by rum
made from molasses supplied by rival islands. In case of war,
which happened every ten or twelve years, or a season of
famine, which happened every three or four, he said the condition
of the British islands must evidently be such, that she
could not fail to provide against the contingency by proper
concessions, unless she should infer from our conduct that
they are not necessary.

He added, as a consideration which he thought of great
weight, in favor of the measure, that in case any negotiations
should take place it would put our Executive on proper
ground. At present the trade with Great Britain was precisely
in that situation which her interest required, and her
King could moreover regulate it according to circumstances.
On our part, the Executive could neither offer nor withdraw
anything. He could offer nothing, because Great Britain was
already in possession of every commercial privilege she desired.
He could not say, give us reciprocal privileges, or yours
shall be withdrawn, because this must be done by a legislative
act. By passing the act proposed, the Executive will be
enabled to speak a language proper for the occasion. He can
say, if you do not give the United States proper privileges,
those given to you shall not be continued.[2]

 
[1]

See vol. v., p. 339 and 340, n. Madison's motion introduced this
day was:

"That from and after the—day of—next the tonnage on all
such vessels be raised to—; and from and after the—day of—
next no such vessel shall be permitted to export from the United States
any unmanufactured article being the growth and produce thereof."

This having been disagreed to he offered June 30th the following:

"And be it further enacted, That in all cases where vessels belonging to
the citizens of the United States may be prohibited from bringing any
articles from any foreign port or place, by laws or regulations of the
sovereign thereof, into any port or place within the United States, the
vessels belonging wholly or in part to the subjects of such sovereign
shall, after the—day of—during the continuance of such
prohibition, be prohibited from bringing like articles into the United
States, on pain of being seized and forfeited to their use. And the
masters or owners of all foreign vessels clearing from any port of the
United States, with any articles, the growth, produce, or manufacture
thereof, shall give bond, with sufficient security, that no part of the
said articles shall be delivered at any port or place to which vessels
belonging to citizens of the United States may not be permitted to
transport like articles from the United States.

"And be it further enacted, That in all cases where vessels belonging
to citizens of the United States may be prohibited by the laws or
regulations of that foreign country from carrying thereto articles not
the growth, produce, or manufacture of the United States the vessels
belonging wholly or in part to the subjects, citizens, or inhabitants of
such country shall, after the—day of—and during the continuance
be such prohibition, be prohibited in like manner from bringing
any articles not the growth, produce, or manufacture of such country
into the United States, on pain of being seized and forfeited to their
use."

[2]

TO EDMUND PENDLETON.

Dear Sir

Your recommendation of Doc.r M (illegible) was handed me some
time ago. I need not tell you that I shall always rely on your vouchers
for merit, or that I shall equally be pleased with opportunities of forwarding
your wishes.

The only Act of much consequence which the present Session has yet
produced, is one for enumerating the Inhabitants as the basis of a
reapportionment of the Representation. The House of Rep.s has been
chiefly employed of late on the Report of the Sec.y of the Treasury. As
it has been printed in all the Newspapers I take for granted that it
must have fallen under your eye. The plan which it proposes is in
general well digested, and illustrated & supported by very able reasoning.
It has not however met with universal concurrence in every
part. I have myself been of the number who could not suppress
objections. I have not been able to persuade myself that the transactions
between the U. S. and those whose services were most instrumental
in saving their country, did in fact extinguish the claims
of the latter on the justice of the former; or that there must not be
something radically wrong in suffering those who rendered a bona fide
consideration to lose 7/8 of their dues, and those who have no particular
merit towards their country to gain 7 or 8 times as much as they
advanced. In pursuance of this view of the subject, a proposition
was made for redressing in some degree, the inequality. After much
discussion, a large majority was in the negative. The subject at
present before a Committee of the whole, is the proposed assumption
of the State debts. On this, Opinions seem to be pretty equally
divided. Virg.a is endeavoring to incorporate with the measure some
effectual provision for a final settlement and payment of balances
among the States. Even with this ingredient, the project will neither
be just nor palatable, if the assumption be referred to the present
epoch, and by that means deprives the States who have done most, of
the benefit of their exertions. We have accordingly made an effort,
but without success to refer the assumption to the state of the debts at
the close of the war. This would probably add 1/3 more to the amount
of the Debts, but would more than compensate for this by rendering
the measure more just & satisfactory. A simple unqualified assumption
of the existing debts would bear peculiarly hard on Virginia.
She has paid I believe a greater part of her quotas since the peace
titan Mass.ts She suffered far more during the war. It is agreed that
she will not be less a Creditor on the final settlement, yet if such an
assumption were to take place she would pay towards the discharge
of the debts, in the proportion of 1/5 and receive back to her Creditor
Citizens 1/7 or 1/8, whilst Mass.ts would pay not more than 1/7 or 1/8, and
receive back not less than 1/5. The case of S. Carol.a is a still stronger
contrast. In answer to this inequality we are referred to the final
liquidation for which provision may be made. But this may possibly
never take place. It will probably be at some distance. The payment
of the balances among the States will be a fresh source of delay
& difficulties. The merits of the plan independently of the question
of equity, are also controvertible, tho' on the other side there are advantages
which have considerable weight.

We have no late information from Europe more than what the
Newspapers contain. France seems likely to carry thro' the great
work in which she has been laboring. The Austrian Netherlands
have caught the flame, and with arms in their hands have renounced
the Government of the Emperor forever. Even the lethargy of Spain
begins to awake at the voice of liberty which is summoning her
neighbors to its standard. All Europe must by degrees be aroused
to the recollection and assertion of the rights of human nature. Your
good will to mankind will be gratified with this prospect, and your
pleasure as an American be enhanced by the reflection that the light
which is chasing darkness & despotism from the old World, is but an
emanation from that which has procured and succeeded the establishment
of liberty in the new.—Mad. MSS.

TO EDMUND RANDOLPH.

My dear friend,—

I have rec.d the few lines you dropped me from Baltimore, and
daily expect those promised from Fredg. I am made somewhat anxious
on the latter point, by the indisposition under which you were
travelling.

The question depending at your departure was negatived by a
very large majority, though less than stated in the Newspapers. The
causes of this disproportion which exceeds greatly the estimate you
carried with you cannot be altogether explained. Some of them you
will conjecture. Others. I reserve for conversation if the subject
should ever enter into it. As far as I have heard, the prevailing
sense of the people at large does not coincide with the decision, and
that delay and other means might have produced a very different
result.

The assumption of the State debts has of late employed most the
H. of Reps. A majority of 5 agreed to the measure in Come. of the
Whole. But it is yet, to pass many defiles, and its enemies will soon
be reinforced by N. Carolina. The event is consequently very doubtful.
It could not be admissible to Virga. unless subservient to final
justice, or so varied as to be more consistent with intermediate justice.
In neither of these respects has Va. been satisfied, and the whole
delegation is agst. the measure except Bland ! ![5]

The substance of the Secretary's arrangements of the Debts of the
Union has been agreed to in Come of the Whole and will probably be
agreed to by the House. The number of alterations have been reduced
for the sake of greater simplicity, and a disposition appears
at present, to shorten the duration of the Debt. According to the
Report, the Debt wd subsist 40 or 50 years, which, considering intermediate
probabilities, amounts to a perpetuity. Adieu

Mr. Jefferson is not arrived. He has notified his acceptance & is
expected in a day or two.—Mad. MSS.

 
[5]

Bland who had been an opponent of the adoption of the constitution
had changed his views. March 9, 1790, he wrote to Patrick
Henry that having sworn to support the constitution he was voting
for every measure of energy and consolidation; that government
once assumed over so extensive a domain must fall into anarchy or be
supported with, vigor.—Henry's Henry, III., 418. He died June 1,
1790.

TO EDMUND RANDOLPH.

Dear Sir

Your favor of the 10th came to hand yesterday. I feel much
anxiety for the situation in which you found Mrs. Randolph; but it is
somewhat alleviated by the hopes which you seem to indulge.

The language of Richmond on the proposed discrimination does not
surprise me. It is the natural language of the towns, and decides
nothing. Censure I well knew would flow from those sources. Should
it also flow from other sources, I shall not be the less convinced of the
right of the measure, or the less satisfied with myself for having proposed
it. The conduct of the Gentlemen in Amherst & Culpeper
proves only that their personal animosity is unabated. Here it is a
a charge agst me that I sacrificed the federal to anti federal Sentiments.
I am at a loss to divine the use that C [a] b [e] 11 and S-t [even] can
make of the circumstance.

The debates occasioned by the Quakers have not yet expired.[6]
The stile of them has been as shamefully indecent as the matter was
evidently misjudged. The true policy of the Southn. members was to
have let the affair proceed with as little noise as possible, and to have
made use of the occasion to obtain along with an assertion of the
powers of Congs. a recognition of the restraints imposed by the Constitution.

The State debts have been suspended by the preceding business more
than a Week. They lose ground daily, & the assumption will I think
ultimately be defeated. Besides a host of objections agst the propriety
of the measure in its present form, its practicability becomes
less & less evident. The case of the paper money in Georgia S. C., N.
C., &c to R. Is1d., is a most serious difficulty. It is a part of the debts
of those States, and comes in part within the principle of the assumption.

A packet arrived a few days ago but threw little light on the affairs
of Europe. Those of France do not recede but their advance does not
keep pace with the wishes of liberty. Remember me to Mr. M—&
his land lady

Yrs. Affly.
Mr. Jefferson is not yet here. The bad roads have retarded him.
We expect him today or tomorrow. I am this instant told he is
come.—Mad. MSS.
 
[6]

Petitions from the Society of Friends in New York and Philadelphia
against the slave trade.

TO EDMUND PENDLETON.

DEAR SIR

You will see by the papers herewith covered that the proposed assumption
of the State debts continues to employ the deliberations of
the House of Reps. The question seems now to be near its decision,
and unfortunately, tho' so momentous a one, is likely to turn on a very
small majority, possibly on a single vote. The measure is not only
liable to many objections of a general cast, but in its present form is
particularly unfriendly to the interests of Virginia. In this light it is
viewed by all her representatives except Col: Bland.

The American Revolution with its foreign and future consequences,
is a subject of such magnitude that every circumstance connected with
it, more especially every one leading to it, is already and will be more
and more a matter of investigation. In this view I consider the
proceedings in Virginia during the crisis of the Stamp-Act as worthy
of particular remembrance, and a communication of them as a sort of
debt due from her cotemporary citizens to their successors. As I
know of no memory on which my curiosity could draw for more correct
or more judicious information, you must forgive this resort to yours.
Were I to consult nothing but my curiosity, my enquiries would not
be very limited. But as I could not indulge that motive fully, without
abusing the right I have assumed, my request goes no farther than
that you will, as leisure & recollection may permit, briefly note on
paper—by whom & how the subject commenced in the Assembly,
where the resolutions proposed by Mr. Henry really originated; what
as the sum of the arguments for and against them, and who were the
principal speakers on each side; with any little anecdotes throwing
light on the transaction, on the characters concerned in it, or on the
temper of the Colony at the time.[7]

Begging pardon again for the tax I am laying on your benevolence,
I remain Dear Sir

Your most affecte & hble Servt.—Mad. MSS.
 
[7]

May 2, 1790, Madison wrote to Pendleton acknowledging the
receipt of the desired information. He had asked it supposing Pendleton
was present at the time, which, he added, "I find was not the
case," He sent Pendleton's letter to William Wirt when Wirt was
preparing his Life of Patrick Henry, but Wirt never returned it. In
the Life of Henry, p. 74 et seq. it appears that Pendleton was present
when Henry's resolutions were debated and spoke against them.

TO HENRY LEE.

Dear Sir

Your favor of the 4th ult. by Col. Lee was received from his hands
on Sunday last. I have since recd. that of the 3d Instant. The
antecedent one from Alexandria, though long on the way, was recd.
some time before. In all these, I discover strong marks of the dissatisfaction
with which you behold our public prospects. Though
in several respects they do not comport with my wishes, yet I cannot
feel all the despondency which you seem to give way to. I do not
mean that I entertain much hope of the Potomac; that seems pretty
much out of sight; but that other measures in view, however improper,
will be less fatal than you imagine.[8]

The plan of discrimination has met with the reception in Virginia
on which I calculated. The towns would for obvious reasons disrelish
it, and for a time they always set public opinion. The country in this
region of America, in general, if I am not misinformed, has not been
in unison with the cities, nor has any of the latter except this, been
unanimous against the measure. Here the sentiment was in its full
vigor, and produced every exertion that could influence the result.

I think with you that the Report of the Secretary of the Treasury
is faulty in many respects; it departs particularly from that simplicity
which ought to be preserved in finance, more than anything else. The
novelty and difficulty of the Task he had to execute form no small
apology for his errors, and I am in hopes that in some instances they
will be diminished, if not remedied.

The proposed assumption of the State debts has undergone repeated
discussions, and contradictory decisions. The last vote was taken
yesterday in a Committee of the whole and passed in the negative 31
vs 29. The minority do not abandon however their object, and tis
impossible to foretell the final destiny of the measure. It has some
good aspects, and under some modifications would be favorable to the
pecuniary interests of Virginia, and not inconsistent with the general
principle of justice. In any attainable form it would have neither of
these recommendations, and is moreover liable to strong objections of
a general nature. It would certainly be wrong to force an affirmative
decision on so important and controvertible a point by a bare majority,
yet I have little hope of forbearance from that scruple. Mass. & S.
Carolina with their allies of Connecticut & N. York are too zealous to
be arrested in their project, unless by the force of an adverse majority.

I have recd. your reflections on the subject of a public debt with
pleasure; in general they are in my opinion just and important.
Perhaps it is not possible to shun some of the evils you point out,
without abandoning too much the re-establishment of public credit.
But as far as this object will permit I go on the principle that a Public
Debt is a Public curse, and in a Rep Govt a greater than in any other.
I have mentioned Mr Lee[9] to Mr Jefferson who tells me that he
found every place preoccupied, and that he has not thought proper to
make changes where no special reasons existed; various applications
have been made previous to that in behalf of your friend, several had
passed through my hands, some of them from Virginia.

I never heard of the report you mention of the Vice Presdt. It is
but Justice to say that I cannot believe it to have originated in fact.

I lament with you the inability which impedes arrangements at the
Great Falls, which would be of benefit in a Public as well as private
view. The prospect of aid in this quarter does not strike me as it
seems to do you. Money is destined to other projects at this juncture.
Besides I am on no peculiar footing, that could favor an experiment,
and could never make it less auspiciously than at present.
It gives me much concern that it is not more in my power to forward
our object.

Present me most respectfully to Mrs Lee & believe me

Affly yrs.   —Mad. MSS.
 
[8]

Lee wrote April 3, 1790, from Berry Hill that all of Patrick Henry's
dark predictions were coming, true—that he dreaded a dissolution of
the union, but had rather submit to it than to "the rule of a fixed
insolent northern majority." Change of the seat of government to
the territorial centre, direct taxation, and the abolition of "gambling
systems of finance" might effect a change of sentiment.—Mad. MSS.

[9]

Probably Charles Lee of the customs service in Alexandria.—
Calendor of Applications and Recommendations for Office during the
Presidency of George Washington
(Hunt), 73.

TO JAMES MONROE.

Dear Sir

An answer to your favor of the 5th. has been delayed by my hourly
expectation of hearing from Taylor. A few days ago he came to Town
and I have had an interview and settlement with him. The balance
with the interest at 7 per Ct. was 864 dollars. He has not however
executed the conveyance for want of some chart which he could not
get here, but has entered into bond to do so by August, with good
security. As far as I can learn our bargain is a good one. Land in
the vicinity has sold in small parcells at more than 20/. I am told.
The present moment however it is said is not favorable to the market.
By waiting I think it probable it may be sold to your profit or If you
continue to be anxious to get rid of it immediately, I have no objection
to taking the whole on myself. Before you decide I would recommend
that you consult by letter some of your friends here who can
judge better than I can do, and who have more leisure & opportunity
for making the requisite enquiry into the prospect. Should you chuse
to make me the sole proprietor, it will be most convenient that the
deed be executed from Taylor to me. In that event also, I beg you
to let me know the state in which the accts. between us was left, by
your former advances for me, and my settlemts. for your furniture &c.[10]
My papers on this subject are either not here or so concealed among
others that I cannot find them.

The House of Representatives are still at the threshold of the
Revenue business. The Assumption of the State debts is the great
obstacle. A few days ago it was reconsidered & rejected by 31 agst. 29.
The measure is not however abandoned. It will be tried in every
possible shape by the zeal of its patrons. The Eastern members talk a
strange language on the subject. They avow, some of them at least,
a determination to oppose all provision for the public debt which does
not include this, and intimate danger to the Union from a refusal to
Assume. We shall risk their prophetic menaces if we should continue
to have a majority.—Mad. MSS.

 
[10]

See Madison to Monroe, March 19, 1786, ante, II, 231.

TO JAMES MADISON

Hond Sir

I wrote some days ago to my brother Ambrose since which little has
taken place worth adding. The inclosed newspapers contain a sketch
of what has been done in the House of Reps.

I mentioned to my brother that I thought it better to ship or postpone
the sale of Tobo. than to sell at the present price in the Country.
I am more & more convinced that this will be prudent. The price has
risen considerably in Europe, and from causes that will be more likely
to carry it still higher than let it fall lower. As long indeed as grain
keeps up which the state of Europe makes it probable will be for some
time, the culture of that article in America, particularly Virginia will
divert labor from others, and from Tobo. among the rest. This alone
will prevent a low price, by circumscribing the quantity raised.

The influenza or something like it but less severe has revisited this
quarter of the Union. I have had an attack which has kept me at
home for several days. I am now pretty well over it, and shall resume
my seat in the House tomorrow, or at least shall be able to do
it. If no business of consequence should press, perhaps I may indulge
myself with two or three holidays for the sake of exercise & recreation.
Remind my brother A. to send me a copy of the weather &c. from
your diary for the months of Feby. March & April, including the heat
& cold noted by the Thermometer. When May is over he can send
me that also.

Tell Mr. G. Eve that I have heard of a sett of Gill's Commentory.
The Price of the Old Testament is £8. of the new £9. Pensylva. curry.
My brother Ambr. last letter gave me great pleasure by acquainting me
that my mothers health was increasing. I hope it continues to do so.
Mad. MSS.

TO JAMES MONROE.

Dear Sir

Your favor of the 19th. of May has been duly received. The information
relating to your little daughter has been communicated as you
desired. I hope she is by this time entirely recovered. Your friends
in Broadway were well two evenings ago.

I have paid the money to Taylor, and hope you will take the time
you intimate for replacing my advances on your account.

The assumption has been revived and is still depending. I do not
believe it will take place, but the event may possibly be governed by
Circumstances not at present fully in view. The funding bill for the
proper debt of the U. S. is engrossed for the last reading. It conforms
in substance to the plan of the Secretary of the Treasy. You will have
seen by late papers that an experiment for navigation and commercial
purposes has been introduced. It has powerful friends, and from the
present aspect of the H. of Reps. will suceed there by a great majority.
In the Senate its success is not improbable if I am rightly informed.
you will see by the inclosed paper that a removal from this place has
been voted by a large majority of our House. The other is pretty
nearly balanced. The Senators of the 3 Southern States are disposed
to couple the permanent with the temporary question. If they do I
think it will end in either an abortion of both or in a decision of the
former in favour of the Delaware, I have good reason to believe
that there is no serious purpose in the Northern States to prefer the
Potowmac, and that if supplied with a pretext for a very hasty decision,
they will indulge their secret wishes for a permanent establishment
on the Delaware. As R. I. is again in the Union & will probably
be in the Senate in a day or two, The Potowmac has the less to hope
& the more to fear from this quarter. Our friend Col: Bland was a
victim this morning to the influenza united with the effects & remains
of previous indisposition. His mind was not right for several days
before he died. The President has been at the point of death but is
recovered. Mr. Jefferson has had a tedious spell of the head-ache.
It has not latterly been very severe, but is still not absolutely removed.
My best respects to Mrs Monroe. With sincere regard I am Dear Sir.
Mad. MSS.

TO JAMES MADISON.

Hond. Sir

My last was to my brother A. and acknowledged the receipt of the
Diary. I inclose one for the month of April which you can compare
with your own for the same month. I enclose also a few grains of
upland rice, brought from Timor by Capt. Bligh lately distinguished
by an adventure which you must have seen in the newspapers. He
was returning from a voyage of discovery in the South seas, and turned
out of his ship with a few others by a mutinous crew in a long boat
which continued more than 40 days at sea.[11] A little rice of which the
enclosed is a part was all that he saved out of a fine collection. It will
be best to give the grains their first vegetation in a flower pot of rich
earth, and then shift the contents of the pot into the ground so as not
to disturb the roots. A few of the grains may be tried at once in the
garden in a strong soil.

You will see by the inclosed newspapers that the seat of Govt. has
been again on the carpet. After a variety of questions which the
state of the votes as you will at once remark do not truly explain, a
very unexpected result has happened in favor of Baltimore. It is
possible that a like fortuitous one may take place in the Senate, but it
does not appear probable. It is much to be apprehended that the final
event will not square with the pretensions of the Potowmac, tho' in
the chances to which this question is liable, it may possibly turn out
otherwise.—I am anxious to hear the progress of my brothers health,
and that of my sister Nelly. I hope yours continues good. Mine has
reestablished for some time.—Mad. MSS.

 
[11]

William Bligh, captain of the British ship Bounty. The mutiny
occurred on a voyage to Jamaica. In 1805 he was governor of New
South Wales and his authority was rebelled against.

TO JAMES MONROE.[12]

Dear Sir,—You will find in the inclosed papers some account of the
proceedings on the question relating to the seat of Government. The
Senate have hung up the vote for Baltimore, which, as you may suppose,
could not have been seriously meant by many who joined in it.
It is not improbable that the permanent seat may be coupled with the
"temporary one. The Potowmac stands a bad chance, and yet it is not
impossible that in the vicissitudes of the business it may turn up in
some form or other.

The assumption still hangs over us. The negative of the measure
has benumbed the whole revenue business. I suspect that it will yet
be unavoidable to admit the evil in some qualified shape. The funding
tall is before the Senate, who are making very free with the plan
of the Secretary. A committee of that body have reported that the
alternatives be struck out, the interest reduced absolutely to 4 per
cent., and, as I am informed, the indents be not included in the provision
for the principal.

 
[12]

This and the next two letters are from the Works of Madison.

TO EDMUND PENDLETON.

Dear Sir,—The pressure of business as the session approaches its
term, the earlier hour at which the House of Representatives has for
some time met, and the necessity of devoting a part of the interval to
exercise, after so long a confinement, have obliged me to deny myself
the pleasure of communicating regularly with my friends. I regret
much that this violation of my wishes has unavoidably extended itself
to the correspondences on which I set the greatest value, and which,
I need not add, include yours. The regret is the greater, as I fear it
will not be in my power to atone for past omissions by more punctuality
during the residue of the session. In your goodness alone I must
consequently look for my title to indulgence.

The funding and Revenue systems are reduced by the discord of
opinions into a very critical state. Out of this extremity, however,
some effective provision must, I think, still emerge. The affair of the
State debts has been the great source of delay and embarrassment,
and, from the zeal and perseverance of its patrons, threatens a very
unhappy issue to the session, unless some scheme of accommodation
should be devised. The business of the seat of Government is become
a labyrinth, for which the votes printed furnish no clue, and which it
is impossible in a letter to explain to you. We are endeavoring to
keep the pretensions of the Potowmac in view, and to give to all the
circumstances that occur a turn favorable to it. If any arrangement
should be made that will answer our wishes, it will be the effect of
a coincidence of causes as fortuitous as it will be propitious. You
will see by the papers inclosed that Great Britain is itching for war.
I do not see how one can be avoided, unless Spain should be frightened
into concessions. The consequences of such an event must have an
important relation to the affairs of the United States. I had not the
pleasure of seeing Col. Hoomes during his momentary stay in New
York, but had that of hearing that he gave a very favorable account
of your health.