The Cavalier daily :: Friday, December 15, 1972 :: University of Virginia Library

"It's very strange to me that
schools like Princeton and
Harvard get ten or twelve
students in up there (in the
Law school) and then some
school like Washington and Lee
or VPI can only get five
(students) in the Virginia Law
school."

"One of your most
distinguished graduates, who
happens to be the majority
leader in the House of
Delegates, refers to the
University of Virginia as 'a
winter resort for rejects from
the Ivy League."

"You all go up there and get
all these rich people like the
Roosevelts and the Kennedys
and they ought to give you an
awful lot of money. And you let
them pass whether they pass or
not."

Roosevelt Pushed Through

"Do you know how they
got Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr.
through up there (at the Law
School)? They had to appoint
'old man Douglas' (Supreme
Court Justice William O.
Douglas) to the federal bench
(Supreme Court) and that's
how they got him through
there –– that's how dumb he
was."

Other funds totals for the
Medical school show that 39
percent of total contributions
in 1971 came from out-of-state
sources.

Mr. Stone attributed this
trend to the failure of the
University to furnish the state
with enough doctors by
allowing too many
non-residents into the Medical
School.

"We've got four counties in
the state that don't have a
doctor in them and soon there
will be fifteen."

"The function of the
University of Virginia, if it's
going to be supported by tax
funds, is to educate doctors for
Virginia, not for other states.

According to Mr. Stone, it
costs Virginia $12,000 a year
to send a student to the
University of Virginia Medical
School. "Now when you take
in 40 per cent out-of-state
medical students –– and God
knows we need them here in
this state –– and then they go
back to the places they come
from, see how much we've lost
on them."

"How can you justify taking
tax funds and having a
graduate school that's 55
per cent out-of-state –– more
than in-state?" he said.

Student-Exporting State

According to the Virginia
Plan for Higher Education, a
report compiled in 1967 for
the Virginia State Council for
Higher Education, Virginia is a
student-exporting state. From
the most recent study made in
1963, about 26,000 Virginia
students attended schools in
other states while only about
16,000 students from other
states attended Virginia
schools.

"It's because they can't get
in Virginia schools," Mr. Stone
said.

"They can't get in the
University of Virginia because
you all only take the top 20
percent (from high school)."

"Our boys in Virginia are
just as well-qualified and have
just as much brains as
somebody from New Jersey or
Pennsylvania or Ohio or
whatever you want to take.

"We don't owe those people
anything."

"I can name around my
home town 25 students that
are going to East Carolina or
East Tennessee State because
they can't get in up there (at
the University)."

Stay In Princeton

"If someone wants to go
from this state to Princeton let
Princeton take him. If he wants
to go to Duke, let Duke take
him. But you're a state
supported school."

"I don't mind paying
money to educate people here
in Virginia, but I don't owe
anything to the wealth of the
eastern states that you all seem
to want up there."

Mr. Stone said that he
thought the University and all
state supported schools should
admit every "qualified"

Enrollments At The University For 1967-1972

	Total	Percentage
1967
In-State	4229	55%
Out-Of-State	3268	45%
1968
In-State	4955	55%
Out-Of-State	4056	45%
1969
In-State	5424	56%
Out-Of-State	4311	44%
1970
In-State	6275	58%
Out-Of-State	4577	42%
1971
In-State	7423	60%
Out-Of-State	4928	40%
1972
In-State	8097	63%
Out-Of-State	4810	37%

Virginia applicant He said that
the arbitrary attributes that
make a "qualified" student
"should be set by the State
Council for Higher Education,
and frankly, I think it should
be the same for every college in
the state."

University Discriminates

"I don't know what
'qualified' really means. You
all say it means the top 20
percent (of a high school class).
I think that's too
discriminatory."

"If he (a Virginia student) is
qualified to go to VPI or VMI,
he's qualified to go to Virginia
or VCU or anywhere else."

"I think anybody in this
state should have the right to
go to the school of his choice."

"I don't care what they set
the norm as," he added, "as
long as it is consistent."

Responding to whether such
a set of standards for all state
schools would not in effect
deprive the schools of their
"identities", Mr. Stone replied
no.

"VPI has less than 20
percent out-of-state students
and of course they think
they're better than you all
are."

"What I'm trying to say is
that every school in the state
should have a program, and
Virginia is always going to be
different from VPI. It's going
to attract a different class of
students."

"But if he (a student) is a
taxpayer's son from Virginia
and he is qualified, he has the
right to go to the school of his
choice, whether it be Virginia
or VPI or any other school. He
ought not to be turned down."

Mr. Stone said his goals for
higher education in Virginia are
"to see us have the best in the
country."

"I don't think that
(lowering out-of-state student
ratios) has any impact as to
whether it is good or whether
it is bad, as long as you've got
an ideal mix."

As far as the present
status of education in Virginia
is concerned, Mr. Stone said, "I
think the schools are doing a
good job now except that
there's no cooperation from
them.

"Each state supported
school has got its own little
empire and they don't want to
give up anything."

Paying The Money

Referring to the University
in particular, Mr. Stone said
that it holds an obligation to
the people of Virginia. "We're
paying the money, the
taxpayers are. You say you
want to be a national
University. That's all right if
the national University people
are paying for it.

"But we're subsidizing
everybody that goes up there
–– rich, poor or indifferent
–– with about $1200 a year."

Expressing his personal
views on the role of
out-of-state students at a state
school, Mr. Stone, who
attended Washington and Lee
University, said that he thought
out-of-state students were
beneficial in adding diversity to
an educational program.

"But I don't think you've
got to have 40 per cent in the
undergraduate school and 55
per cent in the graduate school
and 40 percent in the medical
school. No other state
university in the whole
country has that," he said." I
think we ought to have a mix
up there, but I think the mix
you want is too high."

Proud Of Aspects

"I'm proud of some aspects
of the University of Virginia,"
Mr. Stone said. "We're all
proud of the graduate schools
at the University of Virginia.

"You've got a good program
over there, except it's not
serving the people of Virginia."

When asked if he would
request a deadline for
compliance by state schools to
his proposals, Mr. Stone said
that he would prefer not to set
such an ultimatum.

Looking Ahead

He did say that the first
probable action taken by
the General Assembly on the
commission's proposals would
be at its 1974 session when the
legislative commission will
submit its first official report.
Mr. Stone also stressed that his
ideas are not necessarily the
same as the majority of his
commission, but he added that
he hoped it would support his
proposals.

All Mr. Stone would say for
sure about the future of his
plan was, "I'd like to see it
done in my lifetime."